Product Questions


Predefined Bleeds


Posted: 25 March 2010

Once again, I thought I would ask something while I was here on the forum. And this time, I'm sure it's not already a feature!

When setting up a product, is it possible to have a box to check if it commonly has bleeds? A lot of products these days seem to almost always have bleed - post cards, business cards, brochures, rack cards, and fliers (this list is not conclusive). So, in the spirit of helping cousin Mel it would be nice to have that option in the product setup so I don't have to customize each individual order.

Is that feasible and is it easy to implement? Or is it already in there?

. . . . .  Keith

You're right, Keith, it's not already a feature. For two reasons. First, not all bleeds are alike, and the only safe way to quote them is to force the estimator to be specific. Second, a lack of screen real estate. In the New Product window, we needed the space to accommodate the default setting for Composition.

I'm going to take another look at it, though. We probably could move the Composition setting to the right, over the press indicator, which isn't all that useful in the New Product window. That would also make the two windows more consistent.

Bleeds are above cousin Mel's pay grade, but here's a solution that will at least make him stop and think, then ask an expert: Create a new product that bleeds on two sides by simply increasing the size of the press sheet. After selecting that product in the browse, customize it with the bleed button.

If it ends up being a full bleed, cousin Mel may not have quoted high enough for all the cuts, but you'll get paid for at least two.

. . . . .  Hal Heindel


Thank you for the consideration, Hal. I'm not sure about bleeds not being equal. I think it depends upon what part of the process we're looking at. During imposition, you can only select one size for bleed and it is applied to all four sides. Although, you can force it to do different amounts of bleed on different sides, it's kind of tricky. I use FusionPro like Craig so he may know what I'm talking about. In postpress, bleed sizes can certainly be different. My biz card slitter allows for a 1/16" top and bottom and 1/8" on the sides. But I still only select 1/8" all around in MF. Perhaps there is a way to set the cutting costs that would assume bleeds all the time. So when they send the art, I can change the job ticket without changing the price (those customers sure don't like surprises). And if it doesn't have bleed, hey, a couple of extra bucks for me!

I do agree with the Products page getting cluttered. Maybe a simple check box that would apply a standard (1/8" all around) and MF users can still get crazy with it in the Customize product window? I admit that I certainly don't understand the ramifications of this from a programming perspective. Whom I kidding, I don't think I fully understand it from a printing perspective.

I like these conversations. I learn a lot.

. . . . .  Keith

That makes two of us, Keith. I'm hoping other forum members and visitors feel the same way.

After all these years, it shouldn't surprise me how much better Morning Flight keeps getting because of feedback and contributions from forum members and "why can't we . . ." - but it still does!

Your request for bleeds for user-defined products is a perfect example. As of four o'clock this afternoon, it's in there. At least in the Gold beta. We'll have to update the help system and manuals before we can incorporate it in the commercial editions.

The really neat part is, the revision not only makes MF work better, it makes it look better, too. Way to start off the week, Keith! Thank you for that.

. . . . .  Hal Heindel


As of six o'clock yesterday evening, I am doing five fewer clicks to make an estimate or order! It's especially helpful with estimates - people like to get their price fast. I added the bleed to my post cards, business cards, rack cards, brochures and fliers. One more door of lost revenue has been closed and if the customer gets surprised, it's in their favor (assumed bleed but the actual file did not have any).

AWESOME! Thanks Hal! I think this will benefit a lot of MF users.

. . . . .  Keith

I think it will, too, Keith. Glad the new feature is working for you. The two days it took to implement was time well spent.

. . . . .  Hal Heindel